most of you suck

i was playing brawl with my sister and she's better than most of you.

I WOULD BEAT HER IN EVO

she plays ike man. she also has a mean bowser

I can counter that

yoshi versus ike is a good matchup in your favor is what your saying right

I dont know
But Mr. Game and Watch could easily take Ike

is faster but ike has super armor.

But Ike cant super armor his way out of every situation, can he?

his B up and his neutral be have super armor. he also has a counter, but my sister never uses it(scrub)

His Special-Up doesn't launch characters far though, and his Neutral is easily dodge-able.

spessman wrote:His Special-Up doesn't launch characters far though, and his Neutral is easily dodge-able.

if you don't charge it or use some set up the neutral can hit. up B has an illegal amount of armor on it so it can be a fairly good counter. (his counter has some start up so it won't work on the first like, 5 frames. Up B has more range too)

Mr Game and Watch's neutral is much faster, and it has good stopping power, not to mention it is easily combo-able. If Ike can get a good hit to the side on Mr. Game and Watch, he can simply bucket-break his way out of air time. His Fire Torch has lethal effects, as well.

spessman wrote:Mr Game and Watch's neutral is much faster, and it has good stopping power, not to mention it is easily combo-able. If Ike can get a good hit to the side on Mr. Game and Watch, he can simply bucket-break his way out of air time. His Fire Torch has lethal effects, as well.

neutral is a shit projectile. true about the bucket break but his torch has a sound cue and some start up lag.

Projectile is bad though. I'll admit that. Mr G&W's Special Up also doesn't do a lot of damage, but I believe it's a good way to get out of sticky situations, especially with the left-to-right sway.

i don't think the sway does any damage but you can cancel it into any attack. It also has some good knock back on it. ike does have better range though

yeah
i say its hypothetically even

i'll agree on that. bowser on the other hand would get bodied forever

Yeah Bowser blows.

agreed.

Lucario can counter everything.
I should know.

Lucario sucks too

Yeah but he can counter everything.
And I should know.

Yeah but Lucario sucks.
I should know.

lucario does suck. the counter is pretty whiff punishable but javier couldn't wrap his face around it.

Javier might not be able to wrap his face around it, but I've been playing Lucario ever since I got him. He's the only character I'm good with. And by good I mean good by my standards